She remembers Robin Guthrie well. "He was a charming person and seemed entirely English." "He was a friend and follower and admirer of Augustus John. It took some time to make the drawings and Bertie had a great deal of talk with him and I had some. We both greatly liked him. We have one of the drawings—it still hangs in the dining room here [Plas Penrhyn]. As I remember it, he arranged for its framing. The other drawing he said that he wanted to keep himself." The photographer who made the cards was Paul Laib. She thinks Guthrie is dead and thus not the writer of a letter in The Times today.